Episode 51: Lucy Allan Author Interview

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Hello cinnabar moths or any kind of moth you’d like to be welcome to The Writer’s Triangle, Cinnabar Moth’s podcasts about all things publishing and books. Today we are here with Lucy, author of skin grows over. Lucy, how’re you doing today?

L
I’m doing good. Thank you so much for having me on your podcast.

R
It’s wonderful having you. Thank you for coming on. So leading up to the release of scan grams over were you feeling a lot of excitement for the release of the novella.

L
And yeah, it definitely was. It’s my first ever book. So that was a very exciting thing. For me, it’s like, you know, I’ve been working towards it for such a long time. And I was feeling very kind of nervous. For a lot of reasons, I think there’s something very like exposing about having something you’ve written out in the world like that. But it really was something that I’ve kind of been fantasizing about since I was a little kid. So it was, it was pretty excited.

R
You can imagine being able to fill that sort of childhood dream is really an exciting thing to happen. So you mentioned that you’ve been dreaming about writing for this full time since childhood, how long could you start writing skin grows over.

And I started reading it a long time ago, actually, about five or six years ago was when I first did the the initial, not even the initial draft of it, when I first kind of wrote the thing that will kind of be transformed into the the novella eventually. So I was I was actually doing a master’s in creative writing and in Ireland, and I was, I kind of I brought my master’s dissertation, as this kind of I was initially it’s like the beginning of a novel. And that was the sort of the germ of the idea that eventually got turned into skin grows over. And it went through a lot of editing, and a lot of like expanding outwards, then cutting down again, and then kind of like restructuring. And, you know, I got like, super fed up with it for like a really long time. And I like put it in a drawer and didn’t want to look at it for ages. But it was a long process to kind of get it to a place where I was happy with it. But yeah, it started. It started its life about five or six years ago. So it’s been with me.

R
This sounds like quite a while. And it sounds like you had a process that you had to go through with it. What was that process like of, you know, starting it up, stopping and picking it back up working at restructuring and all that.

It was a, it was something that was at times very frustrating, and very taxing. But also it was, you know, when I kind of got into the swing of it, it was something that was very rewarding. So as I kind of mentioned, I was like the initial, I can’t even remember how many words it was it was maybe like 10,000 words or something. So it was an it was written as kind of like a chunk from book basically. And the idea was that it was the beginning of a novel. And so I submitted that for my masters, like got, you know, a good write up or whatever. And I was like, great, I will take this and I will write a novel from it. And it was just it was it just didn’t work as a novel. I just it I was kind of just adding stuff and adding stuff and like padding it out and padding it out to try and get to a word count. I thought it was like an appropriate novel work worked out. And it just, it felt bloated, and it felt like it was padded out and it was you know, a lot of it just didn’t work. And I for eight I spent ages looking at it and trying to like rewrite it and trying to figure out what it was that made it feel so bloated and so kind of like, slow. And it was I couldn’t like see past that problem for ages and ages. And then I did put it I put it away for a long time and like started working on other things. And then I kind of I was like no, there’s there’s something good in here. There’s something that works and I just I just printed it out. And I like went at it with like scissors and a highlighter and literally like cut out bits that I was like this is not happening. So it’s not working that’s going in the bin that’s going in the bin. And I just like sat on my like bedroom floor with like, all the pages that were being kept like out in front of me and I just like restructured them and like literally moved scenes in front of other scenes. And that just like was so cathartic, and like so enjoyable. And it felt felt great. And it was it felt like I was kind of rescuing the idea that it was good from this kind of like mire of like bogey novel that just like wasn’t working came so that that felt amazing, but it was it was quite a long process. And it was a Yeah, it was a lot. It was a lot of work. But I’m glad I did it. And I’m glad I took the time to kind of find that the project that was good and like that had potential, instead of just being like, Oh, that’s not working, throw it away.

R
Mm. Sounds like the process of trying to make it work as a novel was rather fraught and difficult for you. But when you step back, and, you know, let kind of let go that requirement in your mind and then is okay. What can I make of the story that I have here? It seemed like it became a lot easier for you.

Yeah, definitely. And I think, yeah, I think I had in my head that like, you know, okay, this isn’t a short story. If this is gonna work, it has to be a novel. And like I didn’t, I didn’t even figure the idea of a novella, being something that was a good fit for this, but it was the best fit in the end. So I’m really, really glad I did that kind of that final cut, you know?

R
Yeah. And so you had that Final Cut, both figuratively and literally with the manuscript for, and then from there, you have to go through the process of finding a publisher unless you want to Self Publish. How did you discover ghost Orchid Press?

I discovered them on Twitter, actually. So I am, I actually I, I found an open call for novellas from another indie press. So I, you know, I knew that like, if you are looking to publish, like a novella, there’s less chance of you sort of, you know, if you’re gonna be like creating it, in the case of traditional ways, probably. It’s less, it’s something that agents or publishers, traditional publishers are less likely to pick up on. And like going via an indie publishing route is like your best way forward. So I was I was definitely looking at Indie presses. So I saw this open submission call. And I was like, Okay, I have this cut up and restructured manuscript that I am quite excited about No, and I spent a good couple of weeks just really, really polishing that manuscript. And I ended up sending it to a couple places I sent it to, you know, the first one that I saw, and I sent to another one. And then I found the submission call from Ghost orchids, who were doing the similar thing they were looking for, you know, novellas that were serving a particular sort of genre space, they were looking for, like Gothic and slightly horror. And I was like, Oh, okay. And I think the thing about ghosts market is how transparent they are. They’re like, extremely open about all kinds of things in the publication process. And like, even on the kind of website for their open submission call a lot of the kind of a lot of the kind of tenets of their contract, were kind of laid bare there. And I thought that was really, really positive. I was like, Okay, this is like, this is clearly a publisher that works really well with people and is really open and honest. And I was like, that was a real kind of, yeah, made me really keen to submit to them. And yet they were the people who, who got back to me and said, they want us to publish it. So yeah, that was that was really positive.

R
So you’d say that your final decision to publish it goes to a good press was the openness and transparency that they had displayed? And it kind of is what ended up with the final decision?

I think so. Yeah, I think they just it seemed like it was a really good, a really good fit in terms of genre. And because I kind of a, I don’t know, if I would like necessarily class skin grows over as a horror, or if I would necessarily like classics, like a gothic finger or whatever. But like, what I liked about ghost orchid was sick, they seem to kind of really enjoy that idea of looking for looking for books that kind of didn’t really particularly fit in any genre, but kind of like floated around the sort of horror and gothic space. And I thought that was really interesting. And, you know, this transparency as well, with the other major thing, it was just like, No, this is, I think, you know, you just, you know, you’re gonna have a positive experience with a publisher like that, and I have them so

R
I think it’s awesome that you’ve had a positive experience of Costa Rica so far. And you mentioned that earlier, they were rather transparent the public publishing process. What would you say has been the most surprising thing about publishing with Ghost Orchid Press?

Him I think the most kind of super thing is probably, I mean, this is me being very kind of new and kind of unexperienced with the, with the kind of process of, of indie publishing in general. And I think I was really surprised by how much like, sorry, like how much kind of mutual support there is, within the sort of in the publishing world, and particularly within the kind of, like, genre specific indie publishing world. So in the case of like horror, horror publishers, Gothic publishers, or wherever, there is so much kind of building up and lifting up of your peers of people who are just starting out. And it’s really, really touching, actually, there’s a real kind of sense of like, this is a community and we’re gonna get in and, you know, it’s maybe a community that’s gonna get less attention than, like judicially published stuff and make, we’re going to put the effort into sort of help each other out and build each other up. And I thought that was fantastic. And really, really surprising in the best way like, really? Yeah, lovely.

R
Okay, yeah, I do think that was something that was surprising to me as well, when I was first coming into the indie publishing scene as a as a whole is, how collaborative in nature it is. Definitely, yeah. So I think it’s wonderful that you’ve also experienced this collaborative experience with your publication process, with go sort of good press. So separate from those who are good press and the process of them, you said that you’re relatively new to publishing in general, what would you say has been a very surprising thing about the publishing process as a whole for you?

I think, I don’t know, I think something that I hadn’t quite anticipated was the amount of sort of social media pushing that you’re kind of, like, obliged to do, there’s a kind of, like, there’s a there’s a lot of sort of, like marketing and just kind of getting getting your book attention from kind of social media that sort of like, you know, even working with someone like ghost orchid, who are who are so okayness on the ball, in terms of social media, terms of marketing, like they’re really, really consistently fantastic about that. There is still, you know, as an author, you’re kind of still part of your job is to like really push your own work and to kind of promote it as much as possible. And yeah, and I’m someone who’s like, really, like not experienced with social media, and like, I don’t know how to market things. But it was quite a learning curve to sort of learn on the job, how to sort of market a book and how to promote something on social media. So that was, that was quite an experience. But I enjoyed it. You know, it’s fun in its own way.

R
The surprising aspect, how much work is involved with marketing your own book was a positive experience for you. I think that can sometimes be overwhelming for people when they’re first coming into it. It’s like, wait, I have to do more after I published it. I wrote.

Yeah. Yeah, it definitely was overwhelming that it was it was, I didn’t feel that I was like, thrown in the deep end. And like left alone, if that makes sense. Like I did feel that I always had, like, my publisher always had my back. And I wasn’t. I wasn’t doing it alone, if that makes sense. So yeah.

R
I’m glad that you’ve spelled this entire process. So you’ve gone through the publishing process for your novella and had a very positive experience I’m happy for and it was released July 2022. This year, how did you celebrate the release of skin goes over.

And I actually managed to do something really special for it, just because I had like good connections and the kind of like bookshop world and so I have a really good friend who works in a branch of Watson’s, which is like, the sort of Barnes and Noble of the UK. So the kind of big chain of bookstores are big stores. And he basically arranged for me to sort of like go in to this bookshop in the city center and have like a proper book lunch, which was incredible. And it was so so like, it was so nerve racking and it was so kind of it felt so like so, like a proper big lunch. It was insane. I was just expecting like a few people to like trickle in, but it was, it was pretty crowded. And it was, it was like in the middle of a heatwave. And it was, I think, one of the hottest days ever on record or in Glasgow, and I was like, Oh, no one will turn up to this. And loads of people did and it was incredible. And it was such a kind of rewarding and special thing to do and But it was yeah, it was insane. And it was it was. Yeah, it was incredibly I never could have anticipated how, how well it would have gone. And like, yeah, it was, it was such an incredible thing to do. And I was so grateful to my friend for kind of putting that on for me. And yeah.

R
It’s awesome that you had that experience that sounds like a very unexpected experience to have when going into indie publishing with your with I believe your first publication? Is that correct? Yeah,

absolutely. So I really, I would have been happy with like, like, 10 people in the back room, McAfee or something. But it was, it was a proper kind of, yeah, it was amazing. It was so so positive.

R
And so with the release of skin goes over, was your family excited about the novella as well?

Yeah, they definitely were. So they were, you know, my parents were there at the big launch. Um, and yeah, they’ve been, you know, I’m really lucky and like, my parents have been, like, super, super supportive of like me, you know, wanting to do writing, as you know, you know, wanting to study writing academically do things like that, they’ve always been very kind of supportive of that. And it was really nice to kind of, like, be able to sort of, for them to be there and kind of like, see that support, kind of pay off and see, like, like, a book come into the world and see, you know, and I think, you know, they’ve always been, they’ve really, really had my back for like, my whole career, and it’s just, it’s been wonderful to share that with them. Yeah.

R
That’s amazing. Having the support your family and having them also be there for the is, that’s really exciting to even for me to imagine, it’s exciting for me, and it’s not even mine. So with it, having whisking grows over having now been released, it’s been out in the world for roughly a month or so. Yeah, that’s pretty much exactly a month Yeah. How does that release feel now that you’ve, you know, you’ve kind of had the experience of the launch the release, and starting to be a little bit distant from that, as the, how’s the feelings about the release, and

it feels really good. It’s been, it’s, it’s been really kind of nice to see people’s reaction to it now. So you’ve kind of had that sort of month or so where people can kind of find a copy and reader and, you know, even just kind of looking at like Goodreads and stuff, or I’ve got kind of like people DMing me on Twitter and stuff kind of getting in touch. And it’s been lovely. Seeing that people are reading it and enjoying it. And it’s you know, it’s like speaking to them. And that’s like an amazing, it feels very, very kind of validating, and kind of, it kind of puts me at ease as well, because I think a lot of the fear in terms of, you know, putting a book out into the world for publication is that, you know, either like, no one’s gonna read it, or people are going to read it, and they will like it, and you’re gonna be rude about it to you, or whatever. And like, you know what, like, not that anyone would ever do that. But like, it does feel nice that it’s kind of it’s kind of starting to find it sort of niche in the world, and people are being really positive about it. So yeah, it’s not feels good. It’s like, it’s a good kind of remove to be out for like, the sort of the anxiety is kind of a little bit past. And yeah, I kind of get to enjoy the, the responses to it. I

R
think that’s wonderful to be able to have this trickle in of positive feedback afterwards. And field experience, kind of that second high. Have I released the book, and now I’m getting people who are connecting with what I put out in the world.

Yeah, absolutely. So it feels it feels wonderful. Yeah.

R
So now that you’ve released it, it’s out in the world, you’ve done the marketing and everything. What do you hope happens next?

Um, well, it’s, I mean, that’s a good question, because I kind of like I am kind of, at the stage where I’m like, I’m working on like, film at all and novel. I’m hoping to get that done within the next year or so. And kind of yeah, I hope that this is like a sort of springboard to kind of other publications, hopefully, and my hope. Yeah, I I’ve got kind of other things in the oven again, to go through fairly soon as well. So yeah, before Pitzer kind of helps, again, a springboard to other publications basically. Yeah.

R
That sounds wonderful. And so following up with that, Are you planning for writing to be your career if possible,

I mean, I would love for it to be my career, I really would. So I’ve kind of, I’ve been really quite single minded about wanting to be a professional writer. For most of my life, to be honest, I kind of started as I started writing properly as a kind of in my late teens, or whatever, and I kind of gone down the academic route with that. So I mentioned that I did, I did a master’s, I’m actually doing a PhD just now at the University of Glasgow, which is, you know, creative writing focused, which is incredible. And, you know, it means that I kind of get to have that, like novel writing experience within like an academic environment, which is great. And it also means that I kind of have this kind of academic understanding of kind of, you know, ideally, I get this kind of, like, academic understanding of kind of writing and of the publication world as well. So I, yeah, I really, I’m really kind of keen to, to keep writing to keep, hopefully, hopefully keep publishing things. And, yeah, I’ve got a real kind of real kind of drive to do that. And I have a real kind of affinity with the kind of the publication industry as well. And I yeah, I would, I would love for it to be my career. I would absolutely love that. Yeah.

R
I mean, it’s awesome that you have this goal with writing and becoming a career and that you pursued it. And so going back to what you mentioned, about skin grows over being a potential springboard to other publications and a sort of a launch to the rest of your career. If skin grows over where to become a best seller, what would you do?

I would I would be surprised. No, I would be delighted. I would be absolutely delighted, I think, yeah, I think having this sort of like grassroots, beginning to it, this kind of smaller publication, the smaller publisher, sorry, and the kind of like, it kind of gives it that opportunity to sort of grow as a word of mouth thing, which would be incredible. And it’s kind of, it’s nice to see that despite its like, not despite the, you know, even though it’s kind of like come from like a smaller publisher with a kind of, you know, not as big profile is like the kind of major publishers, it’s still kind of finding its people. And for it to kind of keep finding its people in that sort of vein would be incredible. If it became a bestseller, I would be delighted, I would, I would just be incredibly touched that it’s, it’s found its way to its audience in that way. But I don’t know, I don’t know what I would do about that I would, I’d just really rush to get the next one out, hopefully, and kind of capitalize on my own success. That would be my plan. Just keep the momentum going. You know, get the next one out.

R
There, take all that positive energy and put it to drive for your your other projects that you’re working on and getting those

L
done. Yeah, definitely.

R
Let’s, let’s follow this track a bit of skin grows over success in this hypothetical world, where it becomes a best seller, would you want it to become a movie or TV show if that was possible?

I don’t know. I think I think the way it was written was very inspired by film, I think, I don’t know, it’s quite I’m quite like a visual thinker, if that makes sense. And there’s a lot of kind of visual stuff and it’s fairly inspired by like, movies that I’ve liked and that kind of thing, but I don’t I don’t know. So I it’s kind of I don’t know how well it would translate. But maybe it would maybe that’s someone else’s job to figure that out. But I mean, it’s it’s CAD such a key new firm a life of you know, small indie things happening with it and kind of like existing in this kind of independent space and it’d be amazing for like, you know, kind of a group of like recent film grads with like no budget and just like an iPhone, you know, made a film with it. I would love that, you know, I don’t think I don’t know if the work well is like an as a kind of feature film, but if like, some people find it in film school and decided to like, make a movie of it with like, zero budget and you know, recording things on their phone. I’d be delighted about that. And I think that’s its natural kind of progression from an indie novella to just like a weird student film. I came to see that happening for it. So I would be delighted with that happening but you know,

R
so in your mind, you wouldn’t want it to become a feature film if it was offered? Or would that be something you’d be interested in?

I mean, I think if it was offered, I would not be able to say no to that. Be madness to turn that down. But I think it’s like that it’s hard. It really just like, feels like this came at, like scrappy little indie project. And I would, I don’t know, I would like to kind of see it be taken forward. And in that respect, who knows?

R
Okay. And so if that happened, you, you’d love it, but you think more realistically, it’d be something that, you know, would be a passion project for somebody else potentially, or something for like, I mean, definitely. And that would be you know, I’d be delighted to see that happen. So yeah. Okay, now, imagine that a bit more, if you were to take skin grows over and put it into this movie idea, right? A feature film or and it would probably be easier for this question. Do you know any idea of who you’d want to cast for any particular characters.

I really do think that like in my sort of imaginings of it, it’s just like, like random on knowns who’ve just like got their first ever acting gig. And that’s my kind of like, I’ve never like, really been able to kind of like picture like actors that I know playing any of these roles or whatever. But I think I really liked the idea of just like, really, like random unknown actors like getting a getting you dig, playing these weird characters in this. Yeah, I’m really, I’m really sticking to this idea of like, student’s own passion project. And I’m really I like the idea of Yeah, I kind of Yeah, I can’t really picture. I can’t picture specific actors that I know. So I’m gonna go with just like, you know, unknowns, you know, the system being discovered. This is then getting your big break. Yeah. Okay,

R
so so far with that the maybe to refine the question a bit more, instead of being specific actors do you have specific type of person that you think would fit well, for certain characters? For example, certain, let’s, maybe not that, but a personality that you feel would be good to represent these characters in your mind?

That’s pretty interesting. I don’t have specific personality. I didn’t know. I think, Kim, I think I don’t even know how to answer that. Oh. I think I think I’m really I’m really drawing blanks in terms of casting. I’m really drawing blanks in terms of the actress question. I’m so sorry. But I think, yeah, I like the idea of Yeah. Yeah, I just slightly idea of like discovering people that I don’t know. And kind of, I don’t know, like them. I like the idea of them kind of like staying characters in my head and kind of like not being almost like not being muddied by like, being like, oh, that person isn’t that thing I kind of, I didn’t know you kind of like you just kind of dream of seeing your characters on screen, like exactly how you imagined them. And like, you know, not like trying to, like, fit their face onto someone else’s face. And like, I don’t know. Yeah. So it’s, that’s a tricky question. It’s, and it’s so hard for me to kind of just like in Britain, that. But yeah, I would, I would kind of I would leave it to the casting gods. And I would, I would put my trust in them. You know?

R
So it sounds like to me, from what you’ve talked about it that you wouldn’t really want that much creative control over the process. Is that right?

Yeah, I feel that like, Yeah, I think that like the, the adaptations that I really, love and respects are kind of ones that like, take, take source material, and they’re like, Okay, that’s that thing, we’re going to make our own thing, basically, like, you know, like the, the kind of the original text and then the adaptation are kind of, they’re two separate things, you know, and they’re like, I just, I always appreciate that more. And I think if they work together in tandem, that’s amazing. But also like, if there’s, you know, if there’s sort of a real kind of difference between the original text and like this new artists putting their own spin on it, and like making their own project out of it, I really like that as well. So yeah, I would really, I would like it to be like an opportunity for someone else to take it and run with it and like, make their own version of it and like, you don’t have full creative control. I think that would be Yeah, I would want that for them.

R
Okay, so you imagine somebody you taking, essentially, the shell that you’ve created and filling it in with their own artistry and their own vision.

Yeah, absolutely. And I would love that I, you know, I would really be interested to see what someone else did with it. So, yeah.

R
Yeah, I think that would be exciting to see with kind of the merging of their art with your art, in a sense with that freedom involved with the playing back and forth between the two mediums and such.

Yeah, I think that’ll be interesting. And I think, I think it would be really, I would be really, like flattered to see someone, take something that I’ve written them really connect with it in such a way and kind of have their own idea of it in such a way that they can make entirely their own thing out of it. I think I would be very sort of touched by that and very kind of like, yeah, there’s a real kind of sense of having inspired someone else’s creativity that I think we’d really, I would really appreciate it. Yeah.

R
It makes a lot of sense, I get that a desire to inspire other people is something I can connect with as well. Yeah. So fine with this idea of it becoming a movie and going through the entire process. Would you want to go to the premiere? If you if there was one? And if you did, who would you bring with you?

I would definitely go I would like I would be so excited to go in to see it. And like I you know, I would like try and become best friends director kind of thing. I would I would be delighted. But um, yeah, I would probably like, I don’t know, I think like when you see authors, like film premieres, or whatever, you’re just like, That’s the weirdest person in the room. And it’s amazing kind of thing. And it’s just like, yeah, there’s all these like, amazing, like, Hollywood people, then you’re just like, that’s an author just like being strange in the corner there. So I was Yeah, I was, like, really lean into that. I think there’s a lot of, there’s a lot of bug mommy content in the book. So probably bring as my date like an animatronic bog mommy or something, or just like a kind of scale model of one. Run with me. And just like not mention it at all. Just like, yeah, she’s here with me. Yeah, I would Yeah, I’d lean into the, the weird author vibe, very much. So

R
that’d be a fun take on it, you know, just sing it. Yeah. So with, you know, a book that we re or a publication that we have become a best seller, you know, getting a movie deal, all of that involves with a certain level of theme for you as the author, right?

L
And the best case scenario.

R
So following up on that, would you like to be famous and well known? Is that something that’s you desire, like to, for example, to be as famous and well known as Stephen King, where you lost your anonymity? Or what level of fame would you want, if you could control that?

I think I like the idea of being having a career that is like, people recognize the name or whatever. And I like the idea of having a degree of like a claim as an author. And I think that’s, you know, I think I’m almost embarrassed to admit that I think that’s kind of like anyone’s aspiration in whatever field they work in, as they want to be kind of appreciated for doing good work. And that’s, I would like to be appreciated for doing good work. You know, I would work fairly hard to K Knuth to kind of achieve that, but I think I, you know, I, I wouldn’t know how to cope with being a famous person. And like, also, there’s, there’s, I think there’s like about, you know, three, or four, you know, authors who are like, proper, famous household main people, I think, like the, the chances are so small, of like, actually becoming famous from being an author that I’m just like, I’m not in danger. Like, I’m not in danger of becoming famous. And I’ve no kind of like, you know, it’s not like it’s not like a pressing threat. I don’t feel that I. Yeah, I don’t see it happening for me. And I’m quite pleased about that. I think, I think if someone saw my name on a book, and was like, Oh, I’ve heard that name before. I’m sure that person’s written other stuff that I’ve read, or that I’ve been recommended. I would be delighted about that. But you know, I wouldn’t, I wouldn’t. I don’t see myself, you know, becoming someone who’s like a proper household name kind of thing. And I’m very fine with that. So yeah.

R
So it sounds like you you want to have people recognize your name as like, oh, this person writes good books. I enjoy their stuff. But you wouldn’t want people to stop you in the street and be like, Hey, you’re

Yeah, I think and I think that’s pretty unlikely to happen. So I think I think I’m safe from that. Yeah. Yeah, I mean,

R
the chances are slim, but they’re always there’s always a chance. Right? So that’s good.

L
Prepare yourself mentally. Yeah.

R
You have a plan. You can’t be surprised or something. Well, another good point. That’s a good point. Yeah. Maybe I need to make a fame contingency plan just in case. Yeah. So let’s see. I’d like to thank you for talking with me today and for being on the writers triangle. It’s been really wonderful having you here.

L
Thank you. I’ve really really enjoyed it. Thank you for having me here.

R
And thank you to all of our beautiful moms for listening. Be sure to buy a skin grows over. Lucy, can you tell us where we can find you for social media links and such?

Yeah, absolutely. So I’m on Twitter primarily. And my handle is at L E. Allen’s ghost and that is L E double L II NF ghost just to make things complicated.

R
Do you have any other social media or is it just

basically basically just on Twitter as an author? Yeah.

R
Okay. For everybody listening, be sure to visit cinnabar moth.com. And check out the transcripts. We’ll have links to Lucy’s social media. And again, Lucy, thank you for coming on. It was a pleasure talking with you today.

L
Thank you so much. I had such a good time. Thank you.